With the Ultegra’s, it is almost always an immediate shift and just enough feedback to know it went, but not enough to be annoying. None the wiser, that’s where. And so the world turns. But the thing is, that all occurred in the previous generation of these two groupsets. The 105 5800 groupset I bought complete with wheels and tyres for £230 was a real bargain and I found that overall it performed better than my ultegra 6700 groupset except that the brakes are not as well finished. Once your chain is at .75% wear replace it. The difference between BIKE model years is in the frame colors, sometimes the changes in a couple parts, and every so often a major frame redesign (in the specific example the Trek Silque 2017 model has Trek’s “IsoSpeed” decoupler applied to the headtube). If you are just getting started, it will not make a difference. If you ride significant miles you eventually start replacing components as maintenance items. I can’t help thinking the rest of the poopset is along similar lines. L'ultégra n'a vraiment pas grand chose de plus qu'un 105 si ce n'est "l'effet" gamme supérieure . And like you mentioned you can buy better wheels or frame. that being said, i’m only looking at the ultegra model because of the “better” color option, and the ergonomic design . It looks like because of the way this is written / appearance on Google that a lot of newer cyclists are taking “yesterdays Ultegra is today’s 105” literally. Very helpful article as I am looking to upgrade from Sora. Hey Andrew, Thanks for this comparison. Chains and cassettes wear out a lot faster than derailleurs. Then as things start to wear out upgrade. Want to know whether you should upgrade from 105 to Ultegra but can’t be bothered with all these pesky words? The same trend is appearing in hydraulic disc brakes and changes to the electronic shifting (current model Shimano hydraulic disc brakes are not attached to any groupset, the first groupset to get its own disc brakes will be Dura-Ace). All from a MAMIL perspective. Shimano va avoir un problème avec de 105 di2. The newest all have stainless plates which should last much longer, but again look different on each model, a totally cosmetic aspect that pisses me off, and so far I have NOT found these plates to be available separately; cleats being plastic should wear first, but another quibble with the designers and the young customers who never experienced old school parts that could actually be serviced and rebuilt. 105 stayed firmly mechanical. Begin! Have you ever dropped the bike and possibly bent the derailleur or hanger? Anyway, to aid comprehension, here’s a little table I knocked up to show the range numbers of the current and prior generations of top end Shimano groupsets: The dates show the ‘model year’ for when each new generation was launched. An Ultegra chain has a better, nickel-like finish and a stronger riveting process than allows for a laterally stiffer chain. If your this has been happening since new possibly the chain is too long or the B screw needs adjustment. They update every few years so I just replace them when new sets come out. 11s is the new norm and you will be able to easily get parts further into the future than 10s. Ensuite les 3 composants spécifiques Ultegra di2 (ST, FD, RD) sont à 500 euros et 1050 euros pour le Dura Ace di2. I could probably look up when they changed the crank from 5 bolt to 4 bolt or when they changed the bottom bracket design to have outboard bearings and see a similar trend. You won’t generally see Ultegra specified on aluminium frames. Let’s all make a commitment to lose a pound or two around our bellies. The shifting is so precise you don’t need Di2 and that was a bonus. New bike it was. The higher quality the internals, the more precise and longer lasting the mechanism. After about 17,000 miles I felt it was time for the chainset and bottom bracket to be replaced and I went with Ultegra at that time – did not notice any change in performance. 105 (la référence. My bike is a Trek Domane 4.3 (the 2013 version), which at the time cost £1,800. Both Ultegra 6800 and Shimano 105 R5800 could give 11 speeds and you may get up to five different options in the cassette range. I am very happy to be corrected, but from my understanding of Shimano, and what I have seen posted here, this year’s Ultegra are next year’s 105 – so the 2017 105 should equal (or exceed?) I am hoping to increase both miles and how many times per week, possibly to join a riding group as well. The origin story of the term Di2 is shrouded in mystery…. It came with a full Shimano 105 groupset (5700 – model range number fans). Thank you. Do you think it would be worth it? Case in point, the Trek Domane range is no longer a good example – whatever tech they’ve put into it means the frame is quite expensive and savings are made by speccing the equivalent bike to mine (the SL4) with some Tiagra components. Since you're here, Monty would also like you to check out. I’ve done this myself, with my 10-speed 105 5700 groupset. I have been looking at carbon fiber, Trek, Specialized and Cannondale…there’s so MANY options. In short, an Ultegra chain will shift better than a 105 chain. Spend the money you save by upgrading the wheelset. ... un Shimano 105 vieux de 8 ans, qui comporte 7 vitesses). I found it helped me because my hands are arthritic and it really relieved the pain going to larger cogs. Other features (frame, wheelset) can move the price point of the whole range, independent of groupset. That I am still asking these questions at age 66, and still riding at least 2K miles a year while working full time tells you how great a sport biking is!! All dressed up with tires and cassettes both sets come in under 6 #. I subsequently found a decent deal on used Di2 electronics and was able to slap them on. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. If it is, I like the look of the Trek more but keep wanting the Cannondale because it has more expensive components and wheelset! Hey all, Thank you for your contributions. Once you find the problem change the chain and cassette then adjust alignment and the B screw. My guess is that your chain is too long, and/or you have a bent hanger or derailleur. Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. Speaking to a few data points in the ‘endurance bike’ category (all of which are carbon frames): (For the USD prices, I just converted the UK prices at $1.29:£1 to give an indication. Assuming you’re working across compatible families, this is certainly possible. It’s most helpful in working out which generation of a given groupset you have/you’re buying. Par ailleurs, le groupe Shimano 105 a connu une grande mise à jour en 2018. In reading all these comments one sticks out to me — yesterdays ultegra (i.e. And you end up getting a bike with 105. Groupe Shimano Ultegra. Still, it gives the general direction of travel (i.e. Sorry, I missed the part about already having gone through 2 chains when I posted my first reply. Whether that’s important, one must judge for oneself. If the upgraded bike has upgraded wheels that is a big value. The 105’s tend to be less consistent when shifting. I did that with a Cannondale and eventually it was 95% Ultegra, the bottom bracket just kept on turning. This adjustment allows for more spring tension on the rear brake and a smoother brake. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). There are a lot of new bikes out there with 30 and 32 tooth largest cogs. You should check that the rear wheel can be used with both 10s and 11s – this will only come into play if you decide to change later from 10s to 11s. By way of example, the Cannondale Synapse (non-carbon) 105 costs £1,300. Les nouvelles Ultegra reprennent la conception des Dura-Ace, avec un axe en acier et un corps en composite, agrémentés d’une surface d’appui plus large que la version précédente ou que les pédales Shimano d’entrée et de milieu de gamme, afin d’optimiser la stabilité et l’efficacité de pédalage. Permalink ... les prix à l'unité ou par groupe devant être peu différents ! As much as we may protest, we enjoy purchasing gifts for our bikes. The question though is which groupset should you pick, should you pick Shimano 105 or Ultegra? You want to take care when buying individual components (e.g. Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. I am on the fence on paying up if it’s not too big of a difference. Hear about each post as soon as I publish. Buy the bike that is most comfortable for you. Désormais, vous pouvez aussi opter pour des freins à disque hydrauliques. This should not be the case. There is zero difference in any of the moving parts in shape or function. (For completeness, Tiagra is next, followed by Sora and Claris. The earlier SPD-SL (three-bolt style) pedals had flat plastic plates that can be replaced for like .99, but of course Ultegra were slightly different shape from the Dura-ace, so you needed to clip a corner off first-trivial. You finally succumb to the rule of n+1 and you start looking for your first ‘proper’ road bike. Now will I ever like Carbon as much as Titanium? Unless your derailleur is bent I wouldn’t change it. Chez SRAM, cela correspond au Rival) Tiagra (l’équivalent de l’Apex chez SRAM) I’ll know in 10 or 20 years! Derailleurs undergo a ton of force, loads and movement. Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. It’s worth noting that some bike makers do an aluminium-framed version of their end above bikes, fitted with Shimano 105. Posted 7 years ago The bike I am looking at is a Pinarello Razha K from 2013 (still new as per the store manager) with 105 5700/Most. That expression doesn’t come from literal year, but from model year. The marginal upgrade in performance does not justify the significant higher cost. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. Thanks Andrew. This has the potential to maximise comfort and, most importantly, performance far more than by choosing one iteration or another of Shimano’s group sets. I think I prefer the proportions of the crankset. Rather than you changing gear physically by pulling on (or releasing) a cable, electronic shifting uses little motors attached to the front and rear derailleurs in order to make the changes. Sometimes it’ll change immediately, with hardly any noise, sometimes there will be a slight delay and a definite clunk when it goes. I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. The frame geometry, design, and sizing/fit is going to matter more than the components (which is not that much weight and mostly the finish), the only exception is that if the Cannondale Synapse happens to be a disc brake version (in 2015, Canondale made both in the Synapse line). According to Beginner Triathlete, Ultegra group sets weigh roughly 280g, or half a pound less than a 105 gruppo. Its time to cut the crap. upgrading from shimano 105 to ultegra? My other wheelsets use proper cartridge bearings all round and never need adjustment, so for my next project (another titanium frame) I will buy up a new just taken off a bike 105 groupset and try and find some good used wheels. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. When I knackered the front derailleur, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version (10-speed 6700). The extra spread is useful as I have an 11-32 rear cassette with a compact 50-34 chainset Devon hills are not very forgiving. This was all quite straightforward (okay somewhat straightforward), until Shimano started adding an ‘R’ at the beginning of some of them, and I got a bit befuddled. Shimano’s new 105 (5700) and new Ultegra (6700) are both great groups for road and triathlon use. As we spend more time on the bike and rack up the miles, it makes sense to upgrade assuming your bike fit is dialed in. Of the the articles on the web, this one answered my question best about whether or not I’d made a mistake by purchasing a new Cannondale Synapse with 105 after 24 years of riding two bikes that had, in succession, a 1993 model bike with Shimano 600 (which I believe became Ultegra the next year) and just plain Ultra on my 2004 model bike. Troisième dans la gamme du géant nippon, le Shimano 105 est un groupe fiable qui se place, à chaque nouvelle mouture, comme un produit de plus en plus attractif, et ce pour moins de 700 euros (en version classique à patins). 10s 105 or Ultegra can be used with XT deore cassettes (sometimes derailleur needs to be changed) and this can allow expanded gear ratios for climbing. That means a down-sizing of the whole hood, making it … If that’s you, then you’ll be more interested in the price point of the full bike, which I’ve discussed above. I assume the bike from the LBS is new and the online one used. But would change to a 52-36 chainset on my next build. I’m no Froome-dog and I’ve only returned to cycling reasonably seriously in the last 3 years but my experience is that there’s little between them (unless, of course you want the electronic do-dah). Cosmetically, Ultegra boasts a carbon shift/brake blade while the 105 sports an aluminum blade. I have a Scott Speedster FL20 with 105 for 2 years and already run through 2 chains and continue to have chain slipping when running the front smaller gear and on the 12, 13, 14 on the rear cassette. I rode a tri bike with mech ultegra for 2010-2014 then upgraded to di2 on the new tri bike in 2015. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. My summer bike is all Ultegra, and my winter bike has 105 shifters, mechs and an RS500 crankset. Elle est la déclinaison abordable du groupe DURA-ACE. There is your performance increase right there! There is 1 quick and simple answer to that, and that is that Shimano 105 is a 11-speed groupset and Toagra is a 10-speed groupset. I’m sure a scouring of the internet would allow you to add up the weight of each individual component. I sold the old parts. Have you tried both? That is how I started. there is no difference that would give rise to a different shifting experience in reality (I studied mechanical engineering degree level at university, I have reasonably trained opinion I think). Updated with actual weights, deals, price, specs table, and more My local REI (US cooperative outdoor equipment chain of stores) priced the one I ordered at $1799, a ridiculously low price, and an expert there said I’d be surprised at how good the model 105 group-set is nowadays, and that I’d probably not be disappointed. That would be the first major upgrade for me. The front derailleur, shifter, crank, shifting force, noise, etc., are indistinguishable (unless you took them off and put them on a scale). Make sure the upgraded bike has the full Ultegra group – crankset, bottom bracket, chain, brakes, shifters, cassette. My blog contains Affiliate Links. The different combos of what might comprise your chosen groupset (e.g disc brakes versus rim) makes trying to come up with a useful summary very difficult. Crankset / chainset – the bit the pedals attach to – chain rings, cranks – that sort of thing; Derailleurs – the bits that move the chain between the different chainrings (at the front) and the various cogs of the cassette (at the back); Shifters – attached to the handlebars – the bit you manipulate with your hands; Cassette – the bit in the middle of your back wheel – lots of teeth; The Giant Defy Advanced 2020 model costs £1,949 ($2,514) with Shimano 105 and £2,199 ($2,837) with Ultegra (£250 difference for the hard of mathing); Canyon’s Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 with Shimano 105 is £2,099 ($2,708) and the Ultegra-equipped Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 is £2,699 ($3,482). http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. Thank you. So it was a 35£ side grade. Both bikes are new and and both had 22 gears. And I am comparing 105 5700 with Ultegra the Ultegra 6800. groupsets. The difference is approximately 200g (i.e. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. I ride a 10s but many of the people I ride with have 11s. Cela comprend, pour un groupe de transmission complet : les dérailleurs avant et arrière, les étriers de frein avant et arrière, le pédalier, la cassette, les leviers de freins, le boîtier de pédalier et la chaîne. Fiable, réactif et économique. Thank you! When it comes to purchasing a gift for our babies, nothing says I love you like a new groupo. Seriously, how practical is that? The Zipps are deep dish carbon. Ultegra Di2 et Ultegra normal (le petit frère des Dura-ace, en un peu plus lourd et moins cher.L’équivalent des Force chez SRAM. Ce type de groupe réduit permet de con… bonjour à tous, une question certainement déja abordée, mais je n'ai pas trouvé de post à ce sujet. Sit back, relax, neck an energy gel and get ready to talk groupsets. Get enjoyable and helpful cyclo-info straight to your inbox. Do you ride with Ultegra? 105 stayed firmly mechanical. $990.73 - $1,311.11. what does this turd know I hear you say to yourself in your head. That said, my bike is setup for 126mm dropouts and is a 7 gear rear with downtube shifters. I purchased a used set of Dura-Ace and have well over 10,000 miles on them now. Ultegra components are also stiffer, meaning that the bike doesn’t “flex” under the load of hard pedaling, wasting energy. Le budget n'étant semble t'il pas une question pour toi alors oui fais toi plaisir avec un Ultégra . The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. En tant qu'élément pour les vélos de route, un fonctionnement sans contraintes est l'une des propriétés les plus importantes pour allier freinage, changement de vitesse et pilotage confortable pendant toute la journée. My advice would be to focus on the frame and get as much 105 on there or better at the start, though I believe RS500 cranks are comparable to 105. Might upgrade though to S105 11s now if the price delta is acceptable. As you might have picked up, my trusty Trek is adorned with 105 (5700). On the inside, Ultegra’s lighter, harder internals and higher quality bushings and springs account for lighter shift action and better brake modulation. Before changing anything I would look for the real problem. There has to be a limit to rear wheel spacing and a limit to the number of gears that are useful. IMHO 105 vs Ultegra should not play a determining factor in your decision. Absolutely not. If I am thinking about upgrading from 105 to ultegra groupset and doing it on a budget i.e. The overbuilt structure of the crankset coupled with the chainring has far more of an advantage in power transfer over the 105 which doesn’t sport a hollow outer chainring. With these facts, you can better make the decision as to if the ~$300 more for the Ultegra group is worth it. Presently my bike has a 40 cog with a compact 50-34 crank. Anyways parts are readily available now for the 10s option. Today I found a 2017 Trek Silque 5 (I am female) for $2000 but love the color and the frame seems more comfortable. Is that the case? If you feel a difference, it is a placebo effect. He started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record the journey to his first 100 mile ride, the RideLondon 100. The 40 cog is aftermarket, and I took out the 11 cog to make it work. Hope this helps and is only my opinion. Apparu en juin 2015, le Shimano Tiagra (séries 47000) adopte le même style esthétique que le 105, l'Ultegra ou le Dura-Ace, grâce à l'arrivée d'un pédalier à quatre branches. The up shifts are stiff and quick. Unhelpfully, Shimano released products for, say, 2018, in mid-2017, so there might be the odd inaccuracy. I had to have the front retuned about 750 miles ago. Size is most important of the factors you mentioned. If Dura-Ace is the top of Shimano’s range of groupsets for road bikes (don’t worry, it is), Ultegra occupies second place in the list; 105 is third. Check out our comparison of Shimano 105 v Shimano Ultegra. Precise shifting and much better ergonomics. Pedals are lighter, wider, and Shimano bearings have never failed me. This outweighs my ‘better equipment better cyclist’ delusions. I know because like a jackass I went my traditional 12-25 on my new 11sp cassette and I basically have a 1 tooth jump between cogs. Right now I ride about 20-30 miles 2-3 days a week. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. The bike was originally 600 Ultegra, so would be a nifty trick to upgrade to an Ultegra drivetrain over the long haul. This assumes that you are able to go big/big with the shortened chain. If it is over 1% change the chain and cassette. well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. The bike online for $1100.00 includes shipping and any fees. Or nicer road bike. Which I am part of neither! I’ve only tried a couple of rides with them and find they accelerate quicker than the DAs but climbing is about the same. I went with carbon wheels, carbon frame, 105 gearset. replacement parts, a cassette with different gear ratios), that they’re compatible with the gear bits (technical term) that you’ve already got. Maybe 11 speed is it. Moving up to the controls, the new Shimano 105 R7000 hoods and levers get the same ergonomic do-over that Ultegra R8000 received. So true about what you wrote, seems the Ultegra make a difference for racing and for “looks” to be in the elite crowd. My two cents worth. I started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record my journey to RideLondon 100, my first 100-mile bike ride. Suite à la première partie de notre dossier sur les groupes route et triathlon, voici les détails des poids et prix publics conseillés pour les pièces ou groupes complets de ce millésime 2019/2020. I think the best non-wear upgrade is wheels. Shimano Ultegra : la valeur sûre de la marque japonaise SHIMANO. (*By Kraftwerk, if there’s any justice in the world). Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. I won't be buying the entire group altogether, but rather scoping out deals 1 piece at a time on ebay, what would be the order in which to upgrade. I do think the Ultegra runs slightly quieter and shifts slightly more smoothly, but both seem equally durable (2500 miles on each). Yo! I’m not a pro rider and I just use my bike for city riding. I don’t mind spending $90 for calipers…the best brakes you can buy is never a bad choice in my opinion. The consensus amongst the online cyclo-rati is that there’s not much in it. Il n'a donc plus grand-chose à leur envier, si ce n'est la cassette 11 vitesses, puisque ce Tiagra reste en 10 vitesses… me back, ive got sneaking suspicion the the only difference in the tiagra 4700 mechanism is 10 teeth on the ratchet instead of 11. as far as my eyes can reach looking in a shop display I cant see any difference in the exposed parts of the mechanism. Well, Shimano’s lowest cost range is called Claris. And the wheel doesn’t work with 11s. The 5700 105, 6700 ultegra shifter design was horribly uncomfortable and the reason I changed. Shimano didn’t come out with a ‘105 Di2 5870’. Assuming all you have are wear and maintenance issues I would upgrade the chain and cassette to Ultegra and keep the derailleur. Well, let’s face it. I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. 105 chains have a duller finish and due to a different riveting process, are more “flexy.” An Ultegra cassette substitutes the aluminum lock ring for the steel one found on a 105. Brands group these parts into various different levels. The Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 2021 model costs £2,200 ($2,838) whilst the Ultegra version is £2,700 ($3,483); Specialized Roubaix Sport (with 105) costs £2,750 ($3,548); the Roubaix Comp (Ultegra) comes in at £3,500 ($4,515). Aluminum would have snapped long ago, with any flexing at all. Tiagra and below, despite being perfectly adequate for your first few sportives (probably all your sportives) and for your daily commute, should be eschewed in favour of 105 or Ultegra as soon as your functional threshold power hits 150W. Replace your cassette every two chains. Also I recently came across a used set of Zipp 404s which I bought. Since those are a couple years apart, the difference is EXACTLY what the article is about (comparing Ultegra 6800 to 105 5800). I’m certainly not elite and with the roads in our area, I ride a Diverge that is 2Kg+ heavier than most road bikes .